Behind Our Eyes Book Launch Presents Author Trish Hubschman Interviewed by co-author Abbie Johnson Taylor January 25, 2023 Transcript Readers Note: If you have found this transcript to be helpful, please take a moment to let us know by sending a brief message to Marlene Mesot at: Marl.Mesot@gmail.com. You may also contact someone you know in our writers’ group. Thank you very much. Ann Chiappetta: Welcome everybody to the Behind Our Eyes Book Launch for January, twenty twenty-three. Tonight we have a special guest for you, author Trish Hubschman. I'm going to send this off to Abby, but first we're gonna hear from Marlene because she has a special treat for us. Marlene is going to describe Trish's photo that we put up. For the people who have the benefit of sight, they can see it, and for us, Marlene is going to describe it. So go ahead. Marlene. Marlene Mesot: On the screen we have a very beautiful picture of Trish Hubschman in profile, holding up a copy of her latest book, Gayle's Tales. Ann: Go ahead, Abbie. Abbie Taylor: So, I'm going to read an introduction that Trish composed about the books, and then we'll go into a short interview with her and me, and then at the end we'll have time for questions. So, introduction to Gayles Tales, an overview of the book series by Trish Hubschman, September 2022. Those of you who have read my previous Tracy Gayle books already know the characters and probably love them as much as I do—except for the bad guys of course. For those who didn’t read the books and don’t know the characters, let me introduce them. My hero is Danny Tide. He’s the leader of the popular rock band Tidalwave. There are five members in the band: Ricky Trapp on bass; Tony Miller on drums; Jim Crown on guitar; and the most recent addition, Mike Carson on keyboards. Danny also plays guitar and does lead vocals. His home base is Bel Air, California. Tracy Gayle is my private eye. She has a two–bedroom ranch house on the North Shore of Long Island, New York. She runs a one–woman detective agency. The agency consists of just her and her secretary, Lois. Tracy’s a pro at finding missing persons, dead or alive. Her closest friend, associate, confidant, whatever you want to call him, is Doug Johnson. He’s a homicide detective with the New York Police Department. He’s divorced and has a daughter, Kim. There are many more characters in the novels and the short stories in this book, but Danny, Tracy and Doug are the most prominent and important. How did Danny and Tracy meet? Tidalwave was on summer tour. They put on a show at Jones Beach on Long Island. There was a few days break before they had to be at their next stop in Philadelphia, so they decided to enjoy the sun, surf, and sand on Long Island’s South Shore. While Danny and his then–girlfriend, Laura Wells, were hanging out on the beach, Tidalwave’s tour bus burst into flames. Police detective Doug Johnson, who just happened to be in the area, was on the scene. Since the police couldn’t do much except ask around if anyone might have seen anything suspicious, Johnson recommended that his friend, private eye Tracy Gayle go on tour with the band and do some undercover sleuthing. Danny was for the idea and hired her. They started out as boss and employee, but their friendship grew. The chemistry between them was perfect. It happened all by itself. They became the best of friends and more. How and when were these two characters created? Actually, Danny and Tracy came about at different times and for different projects. Danny came first. Let me explain. In 1997, my husband took me to Radio City Music Hall in New York City to see the rock band Styx. It was their reunion concert. We had eighth–row orchestra seats. I was totally mesmerized as I watched these guys sing, play instruments, and move around on stage. It had been 14 years since they’d played together, and everything came together perfectly. Plus, I fell in love with the lead guitarist and singer, Tommy Shaw. He was a good–looking man, with muscular arms and a great voice. I asked my husband a lot of music–related questions. A story began forming in my head. Three days later, we saw the same band perform the same show at Jones Beach on Long Island.By then, I was itching by then to sit down and create a story. And I did. Danny Tide was born. He was a good–looking, multi–talented musician. I starred him in two novel–length romance stories, A Song for Love and A Song to Remember. I even wrote a song of my own for the second book. At that time, I had just joined a writers’ group, Long Island Romance Writers. A Song for Love was the first book I presented to them. That was as far as this work of fiction went. I ended up tossing Danny and those two manuscripts in a drawer and pretty much forgetting about him for years. Tracy Gayle came into being around 2010. I had been writing mystery short stories and enjoying the process. In those stories, the cops usually did the crime solving, or a person involved in the story did. But I was a big fan of Sue Grafton’s alphabet detective series, and I wanted my own private investigator. Then I heard a shocking but interesting story in the news. A woman and her husband were in a parking lot, and somebody shot and killed her husband right in front of her. When the police investigated, they discovered that the husband himself was a bad guy. He was suspected of embezzling two million dollars from his company with his partner. The stolen money had vanished. The partner didn’t have it and suspected that the woman’s husband had double–crossed him and pocketed the loot himself. I couldn’t touch the murder end of the story. That was for the police. But I wanted to know what happened to the two million bucks. Enter Tracy Gayle private eye. She’s a female Dick Tracy. She unearthed the missing money and solved a bunch of other cases. The short stories were rolling into each other. I was having a ball. In 2012, during Superstorm Sandy, a major hurricane on Long Island, I sat at my computer and wrote a totally different type of Tracy story. It was called “Hurricane” of course. In this one, I introduced homicide detective Doug Johnson; his daughter, Kim; his ex–wife, Linda; and her partner, Janet. Still no Danny with Tracy yet. When did I finally bring the two of them together? In 2014, my friend Carol and I saw Styx at the Jones Beach Theater. This was in late June. A few days later, they were in Philadelphia, and that’s when the band’s tour bus burst into flames. No one was hurt, and there was no damage to the equipment. The band made a nice donation to the Philadelphia Fire Department for their speedy response. But what actually happened? I was curious. I decided to do some internet research into the matter, but I came up with no cause of the fire or an arsonist. So, enter Tracy Gayle, private eye, on the scene. I was going to solve this one on my own—in fiction, at least. I was churning out Tracy and Danny stories and having so much fun. I didn’t want to reach the end of a story, then have to say goodbye to them. That’s why each story rolled into the next. I fell in love with my characters. Tracy and Danny are the perfect team. The rapport between them is incredible from day one. And it was entirely natural. I did something different with my private eye series, and I’m proud of it. This is not a groupie thing. Musicians are people, too. The short stories here come after my fourth Tracy Gayle book, Uneasy Tides. The reason for this is that all series evolve as time passes and people get older, retire, or whatever. Characters that are in my novels may show up in these short stories, like Danny’s second wife, talk–show hostess Blair Nelson. She was in my third book, Ratings Game. Danny’s mother, Monica Tide, is in a few of the short stories. She’s a spunky 80–something–year–old gal. She was introduced in the fourth book etc. I’ll end this introduction here, saying that I hope you enjoy reading these Tracy and Danny stories as much as I did writing them. I'm very excited about Gayle’s Tales more than any of the other books. It's a collection of short stories, but each one rolls into the next. The storyline continues as there are other plots added. So that is the end of the introduction. Abbie: So, Trish, how has writing for you changed over the years? Trish Hubschman: Okay. The main story in Gayle’s Tales is Century End. Century End, is based on an abandoned coal mining community in Pennsylvania called Centralia, and it's a ghost town. And that's what the story is based on. I love the story. Danny wants Tracy to check out the property that she wants to buy, tweak of 10 and a lot of stuff is going on in 10. But that's the main story, and I’m excited to get to the next story. I really love Gayle’s Tales. Most of this is, I can't explain it. I love writing short stories that roll into each other. I've done this many times. It’s more exciting, I guess. The characters, Danny and Tracy are like the household name, tongue, now, you know. Everybody knows Tracy and Danny. Abbie: Right. Trish: Okay. Because there's some health issues. Danny has to slow down. There's like 35 years of you know, the business. He’s still rock and rollin’, but he has to slow down so and that's a business, music. So that’s the business end of life, you know, buying property, building, things like that. Abbie: Okay. So, Trish, do you have a favorite author? You did mention Sue Grafton. Are there any other mystery authors that you like besides Sue Grafton? Trish: I like reading books about tough FBI agents and the detectives. I like my characters being women, a tough woman. Tough women cops and stuff like that, and I don't know my favorite series was Sue Grafton’s Alphabet Mysteries, Sue Grafton. A is for Alibi, B is for, I don’t remember. Y is for Yesterday. There’s just one detective, the story’s pretty simple to follow, and they weren’t too…involved. They weren't graphic, or anything like that. They’re mystery stories. They're good stories. No, she's a very good author. She died. She died, and I forget when it was. Yeah, she had Cancer. Abbie; Oh, yah. Trish: But I like Lisa Gardner. Lisa Jackson, I like Lisa Jackson. I also like authors like Janet Evanowich. Yah I also like Danielle Steele. This I like, having romance in my stories too. It will be in my stories, too, and that's just like with Danny and Tracy, and I like the romance structure and I started writing romance. Something, something which is straight romance stories. Abbie: Okay, well, that's interesting. So now that you published Gayles Tales, what's next for your writing future? Are you planning a sequel to that last story in Gayle’s Tales? What are you gonna do now? Trish: The last story in the book is an FBI story. It's a continuation of one earlier one called Home, Sweet Home, which is about a house break in. Abbie: Right. Trish: That house break in ends-up with the FBI because of the serial killer. I'm thinking of rolling over into an FBI series. Abbie: Oh, cool. Okay. Trish: Tracy originally wanted to be an FBI agent. Abbie: Okay. Cool. Trish: Tracy originally wanted to be an FBI agent. She went to Quantico. She passed, but she decided it was just too much for her, so she just went to be a private detective instead. So she's gonna be sort of working with the FBI as a consultant I guess you might say, and so I have my FBI agents all picked out. And so. FBI’s more involved, but… Abbie: Yeah. Well, that… Trish: I love to write. Abbie: Well that would be interesting. Trish: I've been writing since sixth grade. Abbie: Yeah. Trish: Okay. I started out writing poetry. Mom will vouch for that. And I used to sit at home, inside the house, writing poetry or reading a book or watching TV. My parents would say why don’t you just go outside and play with the other kids. Sometimes I did, but I prefer being alone, writing, and I created my own characters and stories, and it was a lot of fun. I could tell people what to do, you know. Abbie; Right. Right. Well, that's great. Yeah. Trish: Yeah, so that’s how I write poetry because I've been writing poetry for like…oh I can’t count. I’m 59, minus 11. I don't know. I can't. Abbie: Oh, my goodness! You've been writing for a long time! Trish: Okay. 40. Yeah. Okay, close to 50 years. Geez, okay, yeah. Abbie: Wow, yes, yes. Trish: I used to rhyme and…Trish laughs. Abbie: So, do you think you might at some point put together a book of your poems, because you’ve written quite a few poems, haven’t you? Trish: Some. Hmm! Hmm! So, I guess I'm a born writer, I guess. Okay, I, yeah, I love to write. So. Oh, I’ve written other types of books so. Oh, I had some other books. I have written an animal series. Abbie: Right, right. Trish: I’ve written an animal series, but that was personal, a talking animal series that was my first animal series when I got married. It was about a big dog and two cats and it was special, but I didn’t finish that. Abbie: Yeah. Trish: And I didn’t finish that because personally, it hurts me too much. Abbie: Oh, yeah, sure. Trish: Patty has the stories on her blog, and it's just so sweet of her. Abbie: Right? Right? Yes, yeah. I know. All right. Well, I don't have any other questions. So I'm gonna open up the floor for questions. If you have a question for Trish, please raise your hand, and we're gonna do this a little bit differently because of Trish's hearing impairment. I'm going to repeat the question after it is asked and then after you've asked your question, please mute yourself again to cut down the background noise. That way Trish can hear more easily. So, Marlene, do we have any hands? Trish: I may do another Book. Launch because I'm gonna be getting an upgrade on my cochlear device. Abbie: I see. Oh, that's good! Ginny: Okay, that's good. That's great. Trish: Later this year, so if I can hear better that’s good. Abbie: That's great! but do we have any raised hands? Ann: No. Abbie: No raised hands. Alice: This is Alice, and I raised my hand. Abbie: Oh, hi! Alice! Oh, okay. Well, why don't you go ahead then, Alice? Alice: Okay. Sorry. I… Abbie: That’s alright. Alice: Congratulations, Trish. And Abbie, I hope you convey that also. Abbie: I will! Alice: If you can hear my voice alright. It's wonderful what you have done with all of your books in this collection of short stories, and two of my favorites were Home, Sweet Home and Century End. And because I grew up in a coal mining community and my house was right around an abandoned coal mine, I would like to know how you came up with the idea of including a community of an abandoned coal mine area in your short story Century End. Abbie: Okay. So what Alice is asking, Trish. She wants to know how you came up with the idea for a a coal mining town for your story Century End? Trish: Oh! Kevin saw a documentary, and that we were listening to, on Centralia. And he said, it’s not Long Island, do you want this? I was going to write a story that focused on a Tracy story, and then I realized two weeks ago, that’s not Long Island, due to his interest about that. So, I came up with the title Century End. It’s so wonderful. Then, Centralia says it’s a wonderful place, but I wanted to play with it. And I just keep building a story. I don't know where I came up with the title Century End. It just seemed to stick because it happened in the sixties. And the Tracy stories, I think they are like 2009 or something like that, or I think 2011 now the short stories. And I think of writing those short stories. So that's good Century End, you know, since then, this volume, since Centralia was late sixties, I think. Okay. So in a way, 2,000, 2,000 was the Century End. I don't know if that makes sense, but… Abbie: Okay. Trish: I hope that makes sense. Abbie: Well yeah, it does make sense. Yeah, that's interesting. Trish: That's so. I know it's just what I came up with. Ha. Abbie: Right. Okay. Trish: It just fits. Abbie: It just happened. Yeah, exactly. I know what you mean. Okay. Trish: Oh, Kevin comes up with my titles, for my book, Gayle’s Tales. Actually, he comes up with most of my titles for my books Gayle’s Tales. I was going to call them heatwave, Danny Tide, Heatwave. Abbie: Yeah. Trish: I wanted to call the band heatwave. Then it's hard but there's already a copyright on that. Abbie: Right? Oh, yeah. Trish: Wait. Okay. His name is Tide. Make it Tidalwave. Abbie: Tidalwave, yeah, absolutely. That makes sense. Yes, yes, alright. Trish: Make it Tdalwave. Okay. Abbie: Okay. Trish: I came up with Century End for that story. But what can I call the short story book? My parents loved the short story book. Kevin spells on my back. He writes on my back. That’s when he takes his finger and he writes letters on my back. That’s what he wrote on my back, how about Gayle’s Tales? Abbie: Right. Trish: That's when, okay, hey? How about that, Gayle’s Tales, holy cow that's catching. Abbie: Yeah. Yes. Trish: See. Okay. They came up with the idea for sure, sent it to me, that it's true, though so, I said to Patty first, I didn’t realize. But okay, so okay. Abbie; Alright! Well, that sounds interesting. So do we have any raised hands? Marlene: Annie. Ann: Yeah. Marlene: Trish has some special people here today. Her mother, Ginny, and some other special people. Maybe they'd like to to say hello and introduce themselves and speak up. Trish: Yeah, That’s my mon. I dedicate my books to my mom, Kevin, my mom Ginny, and my dog Henry. And to Patty and to my friend Scott. Ginny Kriegel: Okay. I'm very proud of that. She followed her dream, and she's still at it. Trish: I'm gonna ssy, Behind Our Eyes, I love that organization. You guys have helped me so much, including Abbie. Abbie: Oh! Ginny: Enjoy doing it. Abbie: Oh yah! Ginny: Thank you. Trish: Basically, you've changed my life. You helped me so much. I love all of you, I really do. Ginny: Thank you. I'm very proud of her. Abbie: That's great, that's great. Would anyone else like to ask a question or make a comment? Leonore Dvorkin: Can you hear me everybody? Ann: Yes. Abbie: Yes, ma'am. Leonore: This is Leonore Dvorkin, and I'm Trisha's editor. Abbie: Yes. Leonore: My husband and I are her editors, and we've got the book produced, and I thought you all might like to possibly know something about the cover, because Trish keeps saying over and over again how much everybody loves the cover, and it does show a really rickety old abandoned house with all kinds of overgrown foliage. It's got big evergreens in the background. And then really overgrown foliage in the front, and I just couldn't believe how I mean, of course, we just found the image online the way we do on Shutterstock for almost all of our covers that we do for people. But this one just so closely matched. What was in the story that I just thought it was wonderful. The picture is actually from some place in Alaska, but in the book, I mean, of course, I saw that it was in Pennsylvania, and I looked up the real ghost town. Is it, Centralia, I think, is the name of it? Ann: Yes. Leonore: And I looked it up online. And it just was remarkable how much the general area looked like the picture that I found for the cover so it just couldn't have been better and it's very creepy looking so. And the story is pretty creepy, and so that was just such luck. Abbie: Oh, I bet. Yeah, right? Yes, he is. Leonore: I mean, it's rare that we can find something that matches a story. Trish: It looks like Mayberry from Andy Griffith. Leonore: Oh, Mayberry from Andy Griffith. Oh, my gosh. Trish: In my head. That's what it would be like, it’s a two hick town. Leonore: Yeah. The house is all gray. Trish: And that's what it would look like again. Leonore: Yeah. The house is mainly all gray and with shingles all over the side that are all rickety looking, and it's very rundown looking. It's just a fantastic picture. It really is. So, this was different. This was her first book of stories, as you all know, from what she said. All the others were novels, which we also edited. And so this was the book first book of stories, and I thought it was a very interesting take, a little different. And as she said that most of the stories kind of roll into each other, which is also a little different from the way most people do stories. So I think it would be great. Trish, if you did more such things in the future. You know, more stories. I liked it a lot. I liked working on it. Ann: This is Annie. Diane Landy just put something in the text that says the cover sounds perfect. So there you go. Leonore: It will. Thank you. It really is. It's just great. And oh, I've shown it to several people who haven't read the book, but they just love the cover. So it's a winner. Yeah. Alice: Leonora, this is Alice. Is there anything you can tell us about the back cover of the book? Trish: There's something going around that is contagious in the air, or something. Tracy has to find missing people that vanished before. Who did it? And why? And all that stuff . It’s a mystery. I can't explain giving things away. It takes place in July. Leonore: Right, it's a mystery about how people died in the town. Yeah, that's the main mystery of the town. So, yeah, the back cover is, it's just plain color the way we do most of our back covers. And then it's got the synopsis on the back cover, which is again our standard way of doing it, and it's quite a short synopsis really. Have you all read this synopsis, or would you like me to read it? Abbie: What do you think, Trish? Would you like Leonore to read the synopsis of Gayles Tales? Trish: It's pretty long. It’s on the back of the book. Leonore: Yeah, I did. It isn't, no, it's, for a synopsis it's really fairly short. I would be happy to read it if people want me to, if not but no. Trish: I would say not to read it. It’s on the back of the book. Abbie: What was that? Trish? What did you say? Trish: I said, maybe not to read the synopsis out loud or something. She says the book end. Abbie: Leonor has offered to read the sameopsis outlaw. Would you like Leonor to read it? Trish: Nothing. I guess she can. Leonore: Yeah, I can read it. So okay, I'm starting here. It says, Gayles Tales is is a collection of Tracy Gayle mystery short stories. Everyone’s favorite couple, Tracy and Danny, are still going strong, romantically and professionally, rocking and rolling and solving crimes. Tracy has to locate missing persons who vanished decades earlier. She gets tangled in murder investigations she hadn’t anticipated. She digs into a coal mining town that’s been uninhabited for 40 years and discovers secrets and skeletons. In the end, she brings long–lost family members and friends back into each other’s arms and lives. Through all this, she and Danny are planning their wedding extravaganza at the Plaza Hotel in New York City. Tracy narrates her own adventures in these tales, as she does in the books. So that's it. So it's a little summary of some of the stories. I mean, very brief summary, but it's good. I like short synopsis. So. Yeah. Abbie: Yes, it's short and to the point. Yes. Leonore: Yes, right. Ann: So this is Annie. We're at 7:35. So does anyone else have any questions, and we also want to share how to get in touch with Trish before Marilyn comes on. Abbie: Yes, I have her website here, so I will do that just as soon as we're ready. Ann: Alright, cool. Abbie: So if anybody else has any questions, please feel free to jump in. And you know, if we don't have questions, we can certainly end early. I don't think that would be a problem. So if we don't have any questions. Alice: Abbie. Abbie: Oh, yes, ma'am. Alice/Diane Landy: Abbie, I think Diane had a question in the chat before the comment, and I believe she wanted to know what brought Trish to writing mysteries. I know from reading her book, but if you want to ask that question from Diane Landy. Abbie: Okay. Well, that was kind of covered in the introduction. But, Trish, can you tell us what drew you to writing mystery stories to start with? Why did you decide to start writing mystery stories as opposed to maybe you know romance or other types of stories? Trish: I don't know, I just like mysteries, and I picked up one book and I just started to. It just excited me. So I learned to write, but I said I wanted to write like Lisa Gardner or somebody. Abbie: Okay. Trish: Because they had romance in them. Abbie: Okay. Trish: Because the authors I read have romance in their stories. And I fell in love with that idea. I liked that idea. It’s perfect. And they’re not straight hard core mysteries, you know. Abbie: Okay. Alright. Well, that sound. That's yeah, sure, absolutely, you bet. Alright. Are there any other questions? Trish: There's just no, like, really, really spinetingling suspense. I don't like the gorey books that make me sick., I would get stomach aches when I read books like that. Abbie: Right right. I know what you mean. Yeah. But yours are, you know, they're just right. There's not a lot of violence, but there's plenty of suspense, and you know, and you’re just turning pages. And yeah, it's they're very they're gripping. But yet they're not too violent. And there's not a lot of strong language. There's not a whole lot of descriptions of love making, you know. It's just right. They're just perfect. So alright! Do we have any other questions? Alice: Well, this is Alice again, and I'll ask. I was curious. Do you plan to add a dog in one of your upcoming mysteries? Abbie: Alice wants to know if you plan to have a dog in one of your upcoming mysteries. Trish: Oh. Abbie: Dog, like Henry. Trish: Tracy's based on Kinsey Millhone, from the Sue Grafton detective style mysteries. That’s who Tracy’s based on. Abbie: Right. But Alice wants to know if you're gonna have a dog, you know, like Henry in your Tracy Gayle story. Are Tracy and Danny gonna get a dog? Of course, the problem is, if they're going on tour and stuff that would be kind of complicated. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Well, do we have any? Do we have any other questions? Abbie: Alright! Well, let me just give Trisha's website here for anybody who is interested in her books and you'll find the books and there are links to where you can read samples and purchase on Amazon, Smashwords and other sources and the web address is H T T P S, colon, slash, slash, w w w dot DLD Books dot Hubschman, and DLD is D as in dog, Las in Lima. D is in D, and then Hubschman's last name, that’s Hubschman is spelled H U B S CH M A N, so I guess on that note we'll turn over to Marilyn for some final remarks. Marilyn. Marilyn Smith: Okay, thank you. And thanks, Trish and thanks, Abby, and everybody else who came together to help us get together on Zoom for tonight's presentation. It's good to know about the series and the preview of the Tracey's Tales book. 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We are accepting submissions for spring, summer, right now up there, and we just love to have you go to our website Behind Our Eyes dot org, You can find a link to join us from there. And you can check out other book launches that we've done so that's all I have for tonight. But it's just been a delightful evening. Abbie: Well, thank you, Marilyn, and while you were talking I was just looking in the chat, because I know some of them just came through, but my screen reader wasn't reading them, but something with Trish. Somebody was wanting to know who Tracy Gayle is based on. Abbie/Patrice Wein: Danny is from Styx. Who is Tracy based on? Abbie: Is she based on Sue Grafton's character, on Kinsey Millhone? Is that who kind of She's based on? Trish: Uh ha. Abbie: Uh ha. Okay. Alright. Well, okay. Well. Trish: I'm getting tired and my legs are getting tired. Abbie: Okay, no, that's okay. You know what I think. We're finished I'm gonna turn things back over to Annie to let her close us out and thank you again, Trish for answering our questions and everything else. So, Annie, the floor is yours. Leonore: Oh, Annie, before you start, could I just read the books in order because they are kind of in a chronological order of all her books? Abbie: Right? Oh, good idea. Yes. Annie: Yes, go ahead! Leonore: Okay, and I'm gonna say that the first one that I'll name, Tidalwave, even though that was written quite recently. It's actually first, chronologically, because it was like a prequel to the other books. So… Abbie: Right. Leonore: So, this list is in the book. So, I think that's quite helpful. But the way they go in chronological order for the story is Tidalwave, Stiff Competition, Ratings Game, Uneasy Tides, and then Gayle’s Tales. As I say, that's in the books, and that's the way we set it up on her website also. So you can see that they come in chronological order like that, as the story goes, so she definitely keeps it going, making it truly chronological, and as she was saying, people change, get older and in one of them she has Danny have a bit of a heart problem, and so on. So that's very realistic. Instead of everybody remaining eternally young, young and vigorous and healthy, as we all know. Abbie: Right. Exactly. Yes, yes. Leonore: That doesn't happen. So. You're welcome. Annie: Alrighty. Thank you. Leonor. This was wonderful, Trish. Again, congratulations on your newest book. I look forward to reading all your books, as does probably everyone else that's come here tonight. I want to thank Abbey for helping out, and Marlene and Marilyn. So we're going to end the call and thank you. Look, you know. Look, look for other book launches as we progress through the year, and don't forget to go to Behind Our Eyes dot org for this recording and a future transcript. Leonore: Thank you. 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